Ken Henry B&O P-7 President Washington ?

[ScaleCraft]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/steampowe ... 805299275/

Bunch of shots of the 5300 President Washington to give you a better idea.

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/locobase ... ailroad=bo

5566 is a Mountain. Photo here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-B-O-Ba ... 2065313867

[Carey Williams]

Hello all thank you for all your kind words and direction .... we can agree it's an old engine ..
thank you

cheers Carey

[ScaleCraft]

Absolutely. Old. Looks like quite a mix of parts.

Does it run?

[Carey Williams]

Hello all ..and Dave ...

Yes she runs !!!!...A bit of oil, rolling over the armature a few times ...a bit of voltage and she was off ! smooth.... both directions ... the old diode even works ! ...here is a link to see an action packed video of the run by ..(next month rip out the hot water heater( and replace with tank-less) to complete the loop on the outside 3rd rail shelf layout).... point to point is not for me....
Cheers Carey

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/mid ... -of-course

[bob turner]

I note in passing: leave a model sit on a shelf for a decade or so, and it probably won't run. For steam, always get the mechanism freed up before applying power.

[rrjjf]

Once again, I do not believe this locomotive is the work of Ken Henry. He did much neater work. And as someone above said this is not a B&O P-7. I personally own a B&O P-7 built by Russell Wilcox in 1937 from Ken's parts. You can see a photo of the model in its original outside third rail configuration in the September 1937 Model Railroader. Sometime in the 1980s Bernie Gallagher, professional machinist and well known O scale modeler in Beltsville, MD, converted Russ's P-7 to 2 rail operation for him.

Ken offered his locomotive kits and castings in a small catalog prior to WWII. It may be possible that someone in the distant past purchased castings from Ken Henry and built this locomotive but it is a far cry from anything Ken did himself.

I personally own nine steam locomotives that Ken built, 2 WM, 2 B&O and 5 PRR locos. They all run beautifully and are machined to run on a 2 rail railroad. Detail is adequate and very neatly applied.

There is a list of locos built by Ken with engine numbers and dates of construction. According to that list Ken built 125 locomotives himself. How many more locos there are out there built from Ken's parts is anyone's guess.

Joe

[bob turner]

Pictures! We needs pictures!

I want to believe the models I saw in the Balto museum were mis-labeled.

[Carey Williams]

Hello all
Thank you Joe for your insight... some day it would be great to see the list of Ken Henry engines .. sounds like you have the world's largest collection of them .

Joe it would be great to see a few photos of your lovely Henry line up

Ok I was barking up the wrong Pacific .
Turn back the hands of time a bit to the B&O P 5... built by Acme in 1932 complete with an Icken drive train ... which could explain why it runs like a Swiss watch.

Ad from Modelmaker 1932 ... and page from Acme catalog

Acme also made a Hudson, Mikado, electric O and P class ... fairly small company

Any other Acme steamers out there ?


Cheers Carey

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[E7]

Pictures! We needs pictures!

I want to believe the models I saw in the Balto museum were mis-labeled.

It would be a heck of a lot easier to dig up the article in the late O Scale News.

[ScaleCraft]

P-5, maybe. Have no photos of the prototype. BUT: P-5's were not P-7 Presidents. Ever.

[Carey Williams]

Hello all

check out link to see image of B&O P1-5 type engine ..P5 introduced 1919 ..25 were made last retired 1956 ...

https://goo.gl/images/mHpF1R


here is the photo of Joe's President Washington built with Ken Henry parts ..found in Sept 1937 MR ..,.

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cheers carey

[ScaleCraft]

Hello all

check out link to see image of B&O P1-5 type engine ..P5 introduced 1919 ..25 were made last retired 1956 ...

https://goo.gl/images/mHpF1R


here is the photo of Joe's President Washington built with Ken Henry parts ..found in Sept 1937 MR ..,.

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cheers carey

But now we're just getting silly.
If you had THAT photo of a model in your possession, you could have seen there was absolutely no way your B&O 5300 P-7 President Washington....was.
Everything I pointed out is shown in that photo..as are the prototype photos I linked to earlier.

[bob turner]

So far, I have not noted anyone arguing with Dave about the difference between the various Ps. Should we encourage him? Hey Dave - are you sure the B&O didn't re-boiler a P1 with a P5 boiler and keep calling it a P1? (that oughta get him off the couch!).

Rich - one reason belief systems prevail over facts is that it is easier to believe than to look it up. That is really true here -it would take me hours to find that particular 48/ft, even though I guarantee it is still here somewhere.

And jumpseat to Baltimore just to look in to that museum? Not that interested.

[E7]

Rich - one reason belief systems prevail over facts is that it is easier to believe than to look it up. That is really true here -it would take me hours to find that particular 48/ft, even though I guarantee it is still here somewhere.

And jumpseat to Baltimore just to look in to that museum? Not that interested.

Bob, I resemble those remarks! I also think Dave has it correct that the engine is a P5. Position of the bell tells the tale. The engine may be Henry parts, but I'm not buying that he had anything to do with putting it together. MHO

[ScaleCraft]

re-boilered. Yeah, right. Like the excuse of the MR drawings of the fat-boilered K-27....and they never had boilers changed..but I digress.

The photos of the model in hand show poor, uncleaned drivers that appear (with the round holes) to be some approximation of BoxPox. Please not the catalog photos show straight spoke drivers.

We're getting into a subset of George Washington's axe here.

Handles has been changed three times and the head twice, but it's George Washington's axe...for sure.

That last catalog photo.....do you really want to go through the differences between it and the alleged P-7 B&O President Class engine?

Start with drivers. Spoked pilot wheels. Bell. Stack. Angle of front ladders. I shall continue upon my return.