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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby webenda » Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:25 pm

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Bryophyllum daigremontianum

Everything living in the Sonoran desert is designed to impale, maim or kill humans. This Madagascar native plant obviously belongs here... all parts of the plant are poisonous (they contain daigremontianin and other bufadienolides which can be fatal if ingested.)

Fortunately for cattle, pets, children, and the most stupid (I'll try anything if it makes me high) teenagers, it does not escape into the wild when planted in the Sonoran Desert garden. One problem it has is it freezes to death every year. (The one pictured will not survive this week, temperatures are forecast to dip to 27 °F.) Another problem it has here, preventing it from escaping from the garden, is if not watered frequently during peak summer temperatures (110 °F+) it burns to a crisp.

This is the first time I have photographed the flowers looking straight up the flower stalk. What strange square opening flowers. What kind of pollinating insect in Madagascar has a square peg body shape?
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:15 am

webenda wrote:What kind of pollinating insect in Madagascar has a square peg body shape?


Does it even make use of insects?
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:30 pm

webenda wrote:....
This is the first time I have photographed the flowers looking straight up the flower stalk. What strange square opening flowers. What kind of pollinating insect in Madagascar has a square peg body shape?

Such a body is not needed, IMO. Petals, their color and shape, are enticing, as is fragrance. All the flower desires is for an insect to be attracted, to land on the landing-strip petals, or hover at them, and to stick something up in there. Its body (think Humming-birds, which do not enter the flower; they hover at the opening, inserting long beaks inside for a sip) does not have to be shaped to fit for a full snuggle-in. Just a dip and a wiggle is all it takes. And Voila! Sex (cross-pollination) occurs at the next landing site! :mrgreen:
P.S. That must be some pretty sticky pollen to hang onto the stamen, upside down, there, go for the ride, and stick to the neighboring pistil.

P.P.S. What I find particularly fascinating is the total (as it appears here) absence of green (!) :mrgreen:

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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby webenda » Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:12 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Does it even make use of insects?


The internet is living up to Internet Nay Sayers expectations with reliable information on this plant's reproductive habits hard (zero) to find.

For example: http://plantsarethestrangestpeople.blog ... tiana.html
The gist of the article* is the same for any of the Kalanchoe or Bryophyllum species that reproduce this way, though: these plants have made a sort of deal with the devil. 2 A gene which normally is only used in making seeds has been altered in such a way that it's useless for seed-making. Thanks to the changes, though, this gene can be expressed in leaves. So instead of forming embryonic plants in seeds, it forms embryonic plants in the leaves, skipping the whole pollination-and-seed stage entirely. 3

*http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071002144306.htm
2 See? Evil.
3 Though, weirdly enough, it still goes to the trouble of making flowers. I suppose even an evil genius can find time to relax with a hobby occasionally.

"Plantsarethestrangestpeople" is passing on information from "sciencedaily" which, in turn, offers no science, just opinion. [opinion]

This reference=> http://keys.lucidcentral.org/keys/v3/ea ... f-millions).htm
says, "Bryophyllum delagoense reproduces by seed and by tiny plantlets that are produced at the tips of its fleshy (succulent) leaves."

Maybe I could write a grant and get enough money to spend two months in Madagascar observing Bryophyllum's sexual behavior and observe if any seeds that result are viable?

In the mean time, what can I learn about my specimen? I love measuring things, so first... the ruler. The flower cluster is 6 inches in diameter, each flower 1 1/2 inches long.

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Stigma and Anther close up.

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My shaking and dissection seems to have knocked a lot of pollen loose. I wonder if these flowers can self pollinate?

A look deep inside.

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That tiny green pod in there is a plant embryo. As "plantsarethestrangespeople" pointed out, this plant creates plant embryos, not only on the leaves, but as was pointed out in comments, in the flowers as well.
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby webenda » Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:30 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Such a body is not needed, IMO.
P.S. That must be some pretty sticky pollen to hang onto the stamen, upside down, there, go for the ride, and stick to the neighboring pistil.

P.P.S. What I find particularly fascinating is the total (as it appears here) absence of green (!) :mrgreen:


You are correct Murph, square peg insect not required.

Sticky pollen and hairy pollinators seem to be the norm.

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The leaves and stem the leaves grow from are green.
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:33 pm

webenda wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Does it even make use of insects?


The internet is living up to Internet Nay Sayers expectations with reliable information on this plant's reproductive habits hard (zero) to find.


I was thinking a specialized bird, a bat, or some odd little mammal might be involved.......and that you were perhaps deliberately misleading us into focusing on insects instead.

Maybe I could write a grant and get enough money to spend two months in Madagascar observing Bryophyllum's sexual behavior?


I suspect that you can write the grant, but whether there is a place to submit it is another issue. Getting anything funded is at best difficult.

My shaking and dissection seems to have knocked a lot of pollen loose. I wonder if these flowers can self pollinate?


Take heed that they do not root on you.....and you become a pod person, or worse.
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby webenda » Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:47 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:.......and that you were perhaps deliberately misleading us into focusing on insects instead.

Of course, luring you into my imagination of a square peg insect.

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Take heed that they do not root on you.....and you become a pod person, or worse.

Oh, that is just great... I retire from 40 years as a cubicle person only to become a pod person!
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:34 pm

Now see, that's some imagination right there,folks.

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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby webenda » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:47 pm

I find this square design flower fascinating. There just has to be a matching square design insect or bird or mammal to go with it. :mrgreen:

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Or maybe a square headed lizard.
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I know, the pollinating creature would not have to be square, the Giraffe Weevil could to it.
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Some plants can spread their pollen on the wind... ATCHOO!
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby Tramp » Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:24 pm

Oh, brother, the Jungle is getting really weird and beginning to become an actual jungle (unknown, unclassified). What happened to guys who simply drank beer and liked to watch model trains? The world is changing, isn't it? Always. Completely. Unremittingly.
That a life will be spent gaining inches,
When this distance is read in miles.

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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby webenda » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:54 pm

Tramp wrote:Oh, brother, the Jungle is getting really weird and beginning to become an actual jungle (unknown, unclassified). What happened to guys who simply drank beer and liked to watch model trains? The world is changing, isn't it? Always. Completely. Unremittingly.

And recite poetry... I miss them too. Remember this one?

TRAINS

What these vague memories drawn through
The mind like a restless tremble of fever?
What has informed these blurred images?
This night train halt in a Pullman sleeper,
Sentinel platform lights wreathed by fog,
A face white against the moist glass,
These moving lips are whispering, as
Steam caresses the locomotive's drivers,
A wet cement platform glistening empty,
As a bent black conductor calls, All-laboard,
As a whistle signs to departure's darkness.


So many images, sounds, physical feelings and emotions is such a short passage. I read that over and over in sheer awe that anyone could write that way. Sadly, those days in the Jungle are long gone.
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Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:30 pm

Tramp wrote:Oh, brother, the Jungle is getting really weird and beginning to become an actual jungle (unknown, unclassified). What happened to guys who simply drank beer and liked to watch model trains? The world is changing, isn't it? Always. Completely. Unremittingly.

Yes, sir! And in support, I refer you to your own slogan at the bottom of your post.

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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:15 am

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:
Tramp wrote:Oh, brother, the Jungle is getting really weird and beginning to become an actual jungle (unknown, unclassified). What happened to guys who simply drank beer and liked to watch model trains? The world is changing, isn't it? Always. Completely. Unremittingly.

Yes, sir! And in support, I refer you to your own slogan at the bottom of your post.


Welcome to the jungle we've got fun and games................
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby Tramp » Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:00 am

Wayne, I meant my post in a delighted way because of all your wonderful flowers. Although they are desert specimens, they were looking rather junglish.

Junglish
The proper name of the language used with rap and Hip Hop music.


Anyway, would you hobos like to voice in on a poetry problem? This is a poem I wrote over twenty years ago about a woman I met during my one week of college at RISD when I was 16 years old. After we met, I came back to stay with her for a short time, then she disappeared from my life, which I was thankful for. I found her yesterday on the Internet living in Texas married to a church minister. My question for you hobos: should I send her the poem or not? Please give reasons if you can. Thanks!

SHE

She who stood before me naked;
"Isn't my body perfect,"
She'd say and it was.
She in her last year of art school,
The girl I hitchhiked a thousand miles
To see when I was seventeen.
Before I left I had inspected my face,
I had a few issues, an uncertain complexion,
Maybe I should wait a month or two
Till my skin cleared;
She so doll-like and blemish-free
from upscale Chappaqua, New York.
I hitchhiked a thousand miles in winter
With my pool cue and my freight-riding sack
Packed inside with handmade gifts for her,
Things I had labored over.
"I wish you had a sports car," she said.
While she was attending painting classes
I'd either be in the freight yard wandering,
Angling my complexion to the January sun,
Or in one of the two poolrooms.
(But how do you win a sports car on a pool table
In Providence, Rhode Island, in 1974?)
She the first to put the mouth to me
And she choked badly in my moment,
Thereafter eyeing it suspiciously.
She who kicked me out after a week,
After my meager money was gone and
The pool balls had stopped dropping.
How can a seventeen-year-old choke
When he is playing for the woman he loves?
She did—I did.

He heard I was around and wounded,
(I'd called his ex-wife looking for him)
And in a decrepit yellow ex-mail van
He found me and offered the Wendell woods,
A tiny cabin chained to a massive pine tree.
No well, a rusted-out wood stove, gas lamps,
The January wind keeping that chain taught.
My complexion cleared right up.

Over frozen rutted dirt roads, there
The lone pay phone at Lake Wyola,
The single light above it now,
A small shrine in darkness,
The frozen lake the wind had blown
to white waves in the moonlight,
Black Label pounders between our legs,
Oh, I had to call her,
Damn, I had to call her,
Just had to.

And after the miles of fierce dirt roads
And the coins pressed hard into the slot
And standing there shivering in the
Forever wind of our belief in salvation
And then me whispering her name when
She answered.
Whispering it again with
All the humility and fear of what I felt.
And she said,
"I can't talk now, I'm with someone."

He gathered me up out of the snow,
I'd tripped somehow leaving the booth
And I looked out again over frozen Lake Wyola.
And I looked at him and I said,
I should have known
I should have known
Damn it, I should have known.

I should have known the second time too,
When I hitchhiked to see her again,
Though, at least, the distance was down
To two hundred miles.
That a life will be spent gaining inches,
When this distance is read in miles.

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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:19 am

[quote="Tramp"]...
...Anyway, would you hobos like to voice in on a poetry problem? This is a poem I wrote over twenty years ago about a woman I met during my one week of college at RISD when I was 16 years old. After we met, I came back to stay with her for a short time, then she disappeared from my life, which I was thankful for. I found her yesterday on the Internet living in Texas married to a church minister. My question for you hobos: should I send her the poem or not? Please give reasons if you can. Thanks!
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My response to you would be an encouraging Yes, do so.

My reasoning includes the theory I have and have been unintentionally developing in recent years, that many of us - perhaps all of us - are connected,in many more ways than we can describe with any sense.

I could give you countless examples. However, you have probably - no doubt, in fact - had any number of incidents in your life during which you began thinking of somebody and all of a sudden you get contacted by them. They agree that they had been spontaneously thinking of you, out-of-he-blue, at exactly those moments.

Another example is when we are sitting in a room, other people are present, to whom we are not giving attention at the moment. Suddenly, we look up, but we do not just look up, we look precisely and exactly at a person's face, directly at the eyes , no less, not the chin; not an ear, not at clothing, but at and into the eyes. We never miss the target at this, even though we take no deliberate, conscious aim. We look up and at and are accurate. Had they been thinking of us at that moment, or at least looking at us and we "sensed" it?

Lastly, the adventure of life requires connections to others. When you wrote the poem, you felt something was incomplete in your communication with her. Your spirit knows it wants more contact. Perhaps, she has been thinking of you. Take the adventure. You are a sensitive soul who can only benefit from such an outreach, I am sure, if just for a more thorough closure or for a more exciting continuance. Even the fact that you did your search and have asked, us, here, demonstrates what you know you should and need to do. And I predict she will receive your poem with an open heart. She is in contact with you already.
Murph


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