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Pullman passenger car handrails

Postby texas&pacific » Thu May 25, 2017 10:27 am

Oh Wise Masters of the One-to-Forty-Eighths Guild:

I am detailing some heavyweight passenger cars. Most all need handrails on side doors and ends.
1) What is the correct wire diameter to use (scale) for passenger handrails?
2) Is there a commercial wire-bending jig available to keep them consistently formed (and drill guide)? The tricky one is the "L-shaped" one on car end.
3) Does anyone make a casting for the nut-on-plate detail where the handrail is attached to body? To avoid tube-into-hole syndrome.

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Re: Pullman passenger car handrails

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Thu May 25, 2017 11:31 am

texas&pacific wrote:1) What is the correct wire diameter to use (scale) for passenger handrails?


What size was the prototype? 0.019" might be ~ 1" and is(was?) available from Detail Assoc.

2) Is there a commercial wire-bending jig available to keep them consistently formed (and drill guide)? The tricky one is the "L-shaped" one on car end.


Probably best to make your own jig to match your specific needs. I'll put together a block of wood to bend wire around....

3) Does anyone make a casting for the nut-on-plate detail where the handrail is attached to body? To avoid tube-into-hole syndrome.


I usually just "park" a Tichy nbw casting adjacent to the wire - after painting, and from more than a few feet away it's all one unit.
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Re: Pullman passenger car handrails

Postby E7 » Thu May 25, 2017 12:12 pm

Rufus covered things pretty well. You might be able to find commercial versions from Precision Scale or P&D Hobby Shop.

I've seen a couple of articles on bending your own. I know Gene Deimling the P48 wizard did one somewhere, but I can't recall where.....maybe for OST or in his proto48 journal, or the O Scale Resource online mag.

As for gauge, I'd go as heavy as I could without it looking silly, just to help preventing damage.

Try a few net searches!

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Re: Pullman passenger car handrails

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Thu May 25, 2017 12:15 pm

E7 wrote:As for gauge, I'd go as heavy as I could without it looking silly, just to help preventing damage.


Some like steel or piano wire for its durability. Can be a bit annoying to work with and I had to get out my better nippers.....
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Re: Pullman passenger car handrails

Postby BruceB » Thu May 25, 2017 12:15 pm

McCleod makes O scale grab iron ends, and PBL makes them in S scale size. PBL is a little finer (is that a word?). Foothill Models sells the McCleod.

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Re: Pullman passenger car handrails

Postby Seaboard Air Line Fan » Thu May 25, 2017 1:01 pm

Oh crap... I forgot to put hand grabs on my Walthers coach :shock: :evil: :oops: !!!

I'm glad you started this post :)
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Re: Pullman passenger car handrails

Postby Seaboard Air Line Fan » Thu May 25, 2017 1:07 pm

Tichy Train Group sells O scale NBW and phosphor bronze wire, which I assume both are sized for use with one another.
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Re: Pullman passenger car handrails

Postby texas&pacific » Thu May 25, 2017 1:15 pm

Did try a few searches on "o scale passenger grab irons" and "handrails" with limited quality hits before I posted here. If you are doing an F Unit diesel or a freight car, you are in tall cotton. Otherwise...scratch, scratch, scratch (as in, if you gotta ask, be ready to scratch build). :|

Thought maybe PSC made some in brass and checked their catalog. Lots of good stuff, but no "L" handrail for the body ends.

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Re: Pullman passenger car handrails

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Thu May 25, 2017 1:26 pm

Think that Grandt Line also makes an nbw casting cored for 0.020 wire......
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Re: Pullman passenger car handrails

Postby Robert » Thu May 25, 2017 1:33 pm

I'll put my two cent in to this subject by saying I would consider the need for such items as grab irons to be an opportunity to at least try making them myself. Some phosphor bronze wire from Tichy Train Group is a suitable starting point. Like Rufus noted a fixture can be contrived for a specific need, and time wise, making your own bits and pieces can be a lot less frustrating than trying to flush them out of the market place. It's a hobby and making things can really add to the enjoyment and the feeling of satisfaction as well. Just my thoughts.

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Re: Pullman passenger car handrails

Postby bob turner » Thu May 25, 2017 1:42 pm

I personally skip them on Walthers passenger cars and do not miss them.

On box cars and locomotives I use artistic license - .032 for handrails and grabs, and .040 for condenser lines. My rivets are all way oversize on purpose.

On box cars with individual rungs I have a drilling jig that places hole pairs - a small escutcheon pin goes just above each hand grab entry, further simulating the prototype. Like Martin, at a distance of a foot, I cannot tell . .

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Re: Pullman passenger car handrails

Postby Seaboard Air Line Fan » Thu May 25, 2017 2:24 pm

bob turner wrote:I personally skip them on Walthers passenger cars and do not miss them.


Apparently I do too. I've been running the car for a while now and just realized they were not there.


bob turner wrote:Like Martin, at a distance of a foot, I cannot tell . .


I try to keep it out to 3 feet, but that'll work as well.

I've come to accept that I don't know a lot about the prototype. A chunky piece of detail discovered in a photo will most likely end up as a smaller chunky piece on a model, with me still not knowing what it actually is.
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Re: Pullman passenger car handrails

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Thu May 25, 2017 5:07 pm

Robert wrote:I'll put my two cent in to this subject by saying I would consider the need for such items as grab irons to be an opportunity to at least try making them myself. Some phosphor bronze wire from Tichy Train Group is a suitable starting point. Like Rufus noted a fixture can be contrived for a specific need, and time wise, making your own bits and pieces can be a lot less frustrating than trying to flush them out of the market place.


Yes, spending time looking for something pre-formed can end up being just that while you could have just made them and been done. I tend to make all mine other than when I can make use of the ones from PSC or the ones I have in a ziplock baggie from Northeastern (keep those about for resin kits...)

It's a hobby and making things can really add to the enjoyment and the feeling of satisfaction as well. Just my thoughts.


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Re: Pullman passenger car handrails

Postby rex desilets » Fri May 26, 2017 10:40 am

bob turner wrote:I personally skip them on Walthers passenger cars and do not miss them.
<snip>.
I demur here. However, finicky insistence on proper diameter scale grabs on a Walthers car seems overkill. On a Joe Fischer car, yes. On the relatively crude Walthers? Like Bob, I'd go for robustness first.
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Re: Pullman passenger car handrails

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Fri May 26, 2017 12:41 pm

rex desilets wrote:
bob turner wrote:I personally skip them on Walthers passenger cars and do not miss them.
<snip>.
I demur here. However, finicky insistence on proper diameter scale grabs on a Walthers car seems overkill. On a Joe Fischer car, yes. On the relatively crude Walthers? Like Bob, I'd go for robustness first.


That would all depend on who built that Walthers car - I've seen more than a few that have been very impressive. In any case, why not just put the scale grabs on everything as a standard and be done with it?
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