Not a Samhongsa

[up148]

Any clues as to whose manufacture this UP 4-12-2 is? It's not Samhongsa as they never made any. I only know of SS and Kohs 9000's in O scale and this gearbox is not familiar.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brass-Samhongsa ... SwPWRZUW-d

BH

[Jay Criswell]

Gerry White gearbox.

Jay

[bob turner]

Very good scratchbuild? There is a tag under the tender.

Now, question: most photos show a rounded sand dome. This one and Lionel have a more rectangular shape. Anybody know if that has a prototype?

And if this thing is in fact a Gerry White (entirely possible) watch out for the boiler weight when shipping.

[E7]

Butch,

FWIW, "The Brass Guide" says Samhongsa did one for Sunset in 1980.

Rich

[Jay Criswell]

I told you who made the gearbox. There will be a serial number that Rod Miller can cross reference and tell the owner when Gerry did it.

Jay

[up148]

Butch,

FWIW, "The Brass Guide" says Samhongsa did one for Sunset in 1980.

Rich

I have a virgin SS 9000 at home but never looked at the box to see who built it. Mort did use Samhongsa on some HO locos he imported, so it makes sense they built this 9000, I'll know tonight when I get home. If it has a Gerry White gearbox so much the better.

BH

[E7]

I told you who made the gearbox. There will be a serial number that Rod Miller can cross reference and tell the owner when Gerry did it. Jay

Jay, I'm NOT disputing anything you wrote, just mentioning that Sam did one (at least per Dan's guide). I wouldn't know one gearbox from another. Rich

[up148]

Here's a photo of the steam dome on the SS 9000 and the one at the museum in CA, I believe. Due to the angle it's hard to tell if the dome is perfectly round on the prototype or if has some squareness to it, but I believe it's round on both. There are quite a few outward differences between the early road number 9000's and later, so later editions might have had different steam domes.

BH

[bob turner]

Sand dome. Indeed, that one looks rectangular. Move the camera forward on the Sunset. Where is Ed when we need him?

[up148]

Sorry Bob, I thought you were referring to the steam dome. The SS sand dome is square cornered, just like #9000 in the prototype photo. I tried to attach a photo of my SS 9000 sand dome, but it wouldn't take. Here is a photo of the Kohs 9000 sand dome and it's round. Never realized this difference.

Can you attach a .pdf to a message and if so how?

Bob, you know where Ed is...don't you?

BH

[bob turner]

Yes. Greg keeps me updated. Thanks for the info - at least now I know I do not have to cut the dome off the Lionel.

As an aside, I am compelled to replace the sand dome on the Scale Craft J-1d. I mostly dislike rectangular sand domes.

Did you know Dennis and I did correct knuckled side rods for the 9000? I took all info from Bill Kratville's books. Photo later. And Jay provided some gorgeous Gresley links for my project. Time to solder the tender together . . .

[bob turner]

Oh, yeah, and I guess I had better start putting lag clamps on my boiler bands. I always thought they went on the bottom.

[up148]

Did you know Dennis and I did correct knuckled side rods for the 9000? I took all info from Bill Kratville's books. Photo later. And Jay provided some gorgeous Gresley links for my project. Time to solder the tender together . . .

I would love to see some of these items and look forward to your photos. Greg is helping me on ideas to super-detail this SS 9000, but the drive has always been a hold back for me. A JW drive would be an interesting idea. Someone contacted the seller to let him know this is a JW drive, so I expect the bidding will elevate substantially.

BH

[Jay Criswell]

FWIW and if it hasn't already been mentioned. Sunset did two runs of the 4-12-2. The early, unpainted version, was built by Sam.

Jay

[up148]

Hi Jay,

Yes, I'm familiar with the original 9000 series imported by Mort back in the 80's, unpainted and the later loco done by Scott that was factory painted. I think the original is a better model for super-detailing, but that's just my opinion and worth very little.

BH