FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION

[HONDO74]

LET'S SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT!!!

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER
ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER
ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER
ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER
ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER
ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER
ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY
YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET ……. !!!

A JOB, A DRIVERS LICENSE,

SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, WELFARE,

FOOD STAMPS, CREDIT CARDS,

SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,

FREE EDUCATION, FREE HEALTH CARE,

A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON

BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE

THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU
PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT

AND, IN MANY INSTANCES, YOU CAN VOTE.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION !

[rogruth]

Hondo,
I think you got it.
Of course what you list will now be defended and explained.

[up148]

defended and explained.

Defended..........impossible. Explained.....another story. We have lots of explanations and justifications for everything in this country.

BH

[G3750]

Hondo,

Yep. Absolutely ridiculous.

Kinda spits in the eye of those waiting patiently and playing by the rules, doesn't it?

George

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Yet, I am growing increasingly concerned about this (new?) practice of separating children from their parents, leaving the kids here, and sending the parents out of the USA. What the? That sounds crazy and horrendous. And "keep" the children WHERE? DOING WHAT? WHY?

[Tom Dempsey]

Someone here needs the services of a qualified epistemologist.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

And "keep" the children WHERE? DOING WHAT? WHY?

All of the children are going to be distributed among all those folks that are ranting about immigrants, etc. so that they can embrace Sessions' biblical position on welcoming - they get the child care bill forever..... Get ready when the truck stops by your house and yo have to go out and take delivery of your personal little non-English speaking urchin and all the bills.

[robert.]

Murph, children are welcome to go with their parents back to the homeland. What happens to kids in the usa if both parents go to jail? These kids are not welcome to live in jail with their parents. These kids of deported parents are making a choice to stay here.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

These kids of deported parents are making a choice to stay here.

They are far too young to make such a decision.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Murph, children are welcome to go with their parents back to the homeland. What happens to kids in the usa if both parents go to jail? These kids are not welcome to live in jail with their parents. These kids of deported parents are making a choice to stay here.

I agree with Rufus fully. I didn't know children were capable of making such decisions wisely. What's next for them to decide is appropriate for them to participate in?

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Someone here needs the services of a qualified epistemologist.

Like, totally.

[robert.]

What would be a better choice. A life in foster care or a life in Ecuador. My wife and i waited for her to have a good immigration status. Then we had a child. I told her "if there was a problem i would leave with her and the kid. There is no easy answer to families making it to USA soil and giving birth. Sometimes i find it hard to believe that honest hard working immigrants(legal or illegal) are being kicked out. I think a lot of times somebody leaves out the part of 5 DUI's.or a rap sheet a mile long.

[HONDO74]

This separation of the children and parents is happening at the border where the parents are hoping to get into this country by claiming asylum. Most of the people were part of the caravan and have traveled hundreds of miles and these children have been subjected all kinds of rough conditions. Lack of food, water and walking in 100 degree tempt and no medical.

The children although separated are being taken better care of now than their parents did for them.

[rogruth]

But Hondo, do you expect many to believe that? (A little bit of Devils Advocate.)
Some will compare this to the way various people from Africa were treated in this
country in the 18th and early 19th century.
Anything that is done is wrong to certain groups.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

One should, also, consider the part of the history of the USA that included the millions of immigrants who came from Europe during the 1700's, 1800's, and early 1900's. They came prepared to WORK and to add something of value to the American way of life.

Some went westward and made, with their own hands, houses on a barren prairie, of sod cut from the ground and hand-built into homes.

Some went to cities and worked at menial jobs, lived on pennies, but saved money, and made prosperous lives for their families.

Some broke soil in the Midwest, for the first time, and created farms that fed the rest of the entire country.

Some ranched huge herds of cattle and marched them to slaughterhouses, which also fed the rest of the country.

Some started things like railroad companies, and automobile companies, and gun factories that helped keep travelers and explorers safe, or built skyscrapers, designed new products, earning fortunes in the process.

On and on the story developed of European immigrants moving to America with nothing in their possession but courage, inventiveness, determination, skills and talents, and a determination to be of value to themselves and to the country and their families.

I feel there is a big place in the overall story for those chapters.

My own great-grandparents came here in the 1800's and got right to work. They fit in because they were determined to work, to assimilate, and to fit in quickly. I can recall wanting to learn to speak the languages of both ethnic sides of my family, but being told to continue to just learn "American," as a native-born, so we would all continue to fit-in well.

All the men in our originally immigrant family worked at places like, and many actually in, this steel mill in Braddock, PA. It was hot and hard work. Eventually, all of the men, including my father, were eventually indirectly killed by the conditions of having labored for decades in the mills, but the family prospered.