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Re: How Stupid Are They?

Postby HONDO74 » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:37 am

Mexico just had their election for a new president and other elected officials. In Mexico you can only serve one 6 year term and yet Mexico has been labeled as one of the most corrupt governments. But they recently changed to two 6 years terms for senators.

Mexico ends decades-long ban on re-election
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... m/5086989/

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"By not having re-election in Mexico, citizens have consistently voted for promises, instead of (politicians') job performance," says Fernando Dworak, independent political analyst in Mexico City.

"Re-election doesn't resolve anything on its own, but it gives incentives so that better decisions can be made," he says, adding that Costa Rica is the only other democracy in the hemisphere with prohibitions on re-election.

At the legislative level, an old axiom in Mexico says lawmakers spend the first year learning the ropes, the second year doing their jobs and third year seeking another position — with many taking leave to do so.

Dworak and others say voters have been unable to punish or reward politicians for their performance in office because of a ban on re-election that goes back to the 1920s. That has resulted in an emphasis on short-term planning by public officials who rarely proposed projects that would not be completed during their three-year term.

In Congress, Dworak says, few lawmakers spend enough time in office to become expert in any areas such as finance, security or foreign policy — unlike their U.S. counterparts.

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Re: How Stupid Are They?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:50 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Were the African-Americans the first to start the trend?


Doubtful.

Oh? Then who?

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Re: How Stupid Are They?

Postby Mitch » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:00 am

Mexico has had 130 politicians murdered by the cartels leading up to this election. Since the Marxist Socialist won the election with a big margin, it's probably safe to say that he has the support of the drug cartels.
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Re: How Stupid Are They?

Postby CWBurfle » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:26 am

Below is a link to Wikipedia piece on Hyphenated Americans. Started out as a epithet. I don't see anything on when it became popular for use for a cultural identity. My guess is the 1960's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphenated_American

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Re: How Stupid Are They?

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:48 am

CWBurfle wrote:Below is a link to Wikipedia piece on Hyphenated Americans. Started out as a epithet. I don't see anything on when it became popular for use for a cultural identity. My guess is the 1960's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphenated_American


Italian-Americans were very organized more than 100 years ago - Order of the Sons of Italy was founded in 1905.

Irish-Americans - Ancient Order of Hibernians - pre-Civil War

Just about every ethic immigrant wave that has occurred has been accompanied by a protection/preservation society.
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Re: How Stupid Are They?

Postby Roy » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:51 am

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Were the African-Americans the first to start the trend?
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Doubtful.
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Oh? Then who?

Franco-American SpaghettiOs.
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Re: How Stupid Are They?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:06 am

Good answer, Roy. :D

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Re: How Stupid Are They?

Postby HONDO74 » Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:39 pm

Connecticut assault victim gets 18 months in jail for stabbing attacker
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/05/co ... acker.html

A Connecticut man who was assaulted by three juveniles while at work has been sentenced to prison for stabbing one of the attackers.

The Connecticut Post reports 21-year-old Jeffrey Sumpter of Bridgeport received 18 months in jail Monday at a Stamford courthouse.

The paper reported that Sumpter — who was convicted of felony first-degree assault — also will have to spend three years following his release on probation. If he breaks the law during that time, Sumpter could be made to serve all or part of a 42-month prison sentence.

Sumpter was working at a Dunkin’ Donuts in Norwalk last October when he was jumped by three males. During the assault, Sumpter stabbed one of them in the leg.

“I was defending myself,” Sumpter said during the hearing.

Judge John Blawie told Sumpter that he believed his version of events, but had to follow the letter of the law.

Under Connecticut law, assault victims cannot use deadly force if they are able to retreat from their attackers.

By contrast, 27 states — most notably Florida — have passed so-called “stand-your-ground” laws, which entitle citizens to use force in self-defense if there is a reasonable belief of a threat.

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Re: How Stupid Are They?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:50 pm

HONDO74 wrote:Connecticut assault victim gets 18 months in jail for stabbing attacker
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/05/co ... acker.html

A Connecticut man who was assaulted by three juveniles while at work has been sentenced to prison for stabbing one of the attackers.

...
Sumpter was working at a Dunkin’ Donuts in Norwalk last October when he was jumped by three males. During the assault, Sumpter stabbed one of them in the leg.

“I was defending myself,” Sumpter said during the hearing.

Judge John Blawie told Sumpter that he believed his version of events, but had to follow the letter of the law.

Under Connecticut law, assault victims cannot use deadly force if they are able to retreat from their attackers.

....

Outrageous.
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Re: How Stupid Are They?

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:58 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:
HONDO74 wrote:Connecticut assault victim gets 18 months in jail for stabbing attacker
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/05/co ... acker.html

A Connecticut man who was assaulted by three juveniles while at work has been sentenced to prison for stabbing one of the attackers.

...
Sumpter was working at a Dunkin’ Donuts in Norwalk last October when he was jumped by three males. During the assault, Sumpter stabbed one of them in the leg.

“I was defending myself,” Sumpter said during the hearing.

Judge John Blawie told Sumpter that he believed his version of events, but had to follow the letter of the law.

Under Connecticut law, assault victims cannot use deadly force if they are able to retreat from their attackers.

....

Outrageous.


Curiously, no information as to the fates of the 3 juveniles.......but then again, network news presents what it wants to inflame and incite, and to sell commercial time.
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Re: How Stupid Are They?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:29 pm

Speaking of outrageous, why isn't every power on Earth, every country, and every pertinent business doing everything that can be possibly be done to get those boys out of that cave in Thailand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, one of the rescuers has died - drowned - which should put further concern and urgency in everybody's hearts. If those boys have to wait until OCTOBER to be freed, let along spend a single other day in there, it would a disgrace on the entire world.

Can earthmover companies, like CAT, do something like excavating in from above or from the side? Can a hole be dug from under that middle chamber with the most water in it, to empty it?

Can oil-drilling companies send equipment?

Can manufacturers of scuba gear send specialized tanks so the boys can be removed one at a tine, with a tank trailing each one of them or leading each one out of there, under the water in that long, main chamber?

Can the boys be sedated enough to be removed without them being cognizant of what is happening, with an oxygen catheter inserted in their noses to give them air as they are pulled and held, one at a time, thru the maze of narrow tunnels, and OUT!?

Imagine. What if President Trump, or Queen Elizabeth, or Pope Francis had gone spelunking into there and had gotten trapped - can you imagine what would already have been done to have removed them DAYS ago! Each of those boys is equally as valuable to all of us.
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Re: How Stupid Are They?

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:34 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Speaking of outrageous, why isn't every power on Earth, every country, ands very pertinent business doing everything that can be done to get those boys out of that cave in Thailand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now, one of the rescuers has died - drowned - which should put further concern and urgency in everybody's hearts. If those boys have to wait until OCTOBER to be freed, let along spend a single other day in there, it would a disgrace on the entire world.

Can earthmover companies do something?
Can oil-drilling companies send equipment?
Can manufacturers of scuba gear send specialized tanks so the boys can be removed one at a tine, with a tank trailing each one of them or leading each one out of there, under the water in that long, main chamber?
Can the boys be sedated enough to be removed without them being cognizant of what is happening, with an oxygen catheter inserted in their noses to give them air as they are pulled and held, one at a tine, thru the maze of narrow tunnels, and OUT!?


I'd bet that all that has been offered and what can be applied is in use - they are ~1/2 mile down........drilling in a cave area is probably impossible without causing worse problems like collapsing the entire structure over them. Those boys do not know how to swim; scuba - well, can you learn to use it underground while also unable to swim and also being malnourished? Sedating hem would probably put them at risk immediately. But, maybe the scuba thing while being carried, but we really have no idea how hard it is to traverse the pathway out, how narrow, how complicated, etc.
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Re: How Stupid Are They?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:44 pm

It's horrifying and makes me feel paralyzed that I can do nothing to help.

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Re: How Stupid Are They?

Postby rogruth » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:59 pm

This is IMHO an awful thing to say.
It might have been better if they were not found.
We will be watching now as they die one at a time and nothing can be done to save them. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
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Re: How Stupid Are They?

Postby up148 » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:11 pm

Reminds me of a Playhouse 90 or some other TV weekly drama my parents watched in the late 50's. This one episode was about a man or two who were trapped and the news was all around covering the event. Tried several different ways to save him, but in the end he or they died. Left a very dismal image in my mind and I've never forgotten it. I think Kirk Douglas played in another movie (Ace in the Hole) where he made a circus of trying to save a trapped miner who died too.

I hate caves and would never go in one. I know that's stupid, but these early impressions have scarred me for life.

You're right Roger,if those kids die on international TV, it will be disgusting to say the least. If the news companies really felt sorry for the victims they wouldn't show photos or live coverage, but they will.

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