Ken Henry B&O P-7 President Washington ?

[Carey Williams]

Hello O scale world ..who are the Ken Henry experts ? Ken Henry was a prolific builder ... supplier of parts + - .. earliest ad I could find was MR Dec 1934 ...advertising the P7 President Washington Pacific . Henry advertise off and on for a number of years ...Henry had a strong relationship with the B&O building many engines for use on their O scale layouts ...also credited as one of the builders of the current ? HO layout in Baltimore at the museum.

Henry continued to build engines in the 70's ... several pictured in OSN #90 .... Henry passed away in 1988 .

Please see attached B&O P-7 ..... right type engine for Henry ...right era for an early piece (mid /late 30's) .... any positively identified Henry engines out there to compare with ?

This poor engine has been over painted hiding the original B&O on the tender ..additionally suffered some damage in transit ... but it still survives ... it will need some TLC before hitting the rails ..it has a ac / dc converter thingy...that I'll have to remove as they all seem to go bad .... does any one have a schematic to replace with a modern diode ? .... thank you ... of course the outside 3rd rail and open frame motor would never be replaced ...
Cheers Carey

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[bob turner]

Yes, that looks like his work. You can see a lot more in the B&O Museum in Baltimore.

[J. S. Bach]

That does not look like Ken's President Washington, at least not the one I ran at the Tractioneers; way too crude. Plus that one was not black and, I believe, went to the B&O museum upon his passing.

[bob turner]

I have heard that Ken was quite good. The models I saw labeled "Ken Henry" were on a par with the above. I seem to recall that one was blue. Rivets were formed with an ice pick. Could it be that more research is required to do him justice? Right up Carey's alley.

[ScaleCraft]

That does not look like Ken's President Washington, at least not the one I ran at the Tractioneers; way too crude. Plus that one was not black and, I believe, went to the B&O museum upon his passing.

Yup. P7 boilers didn't dip like that under the bell. Earlier P classes were straight and level past the bell, the ramped up into the firebox.
The boiler band towards the cab that doesn't go all the way down and exposes a joint.
I'd have to czech, but there are some parts I recognize.

Depending on when and what mods were performed, most existing photos I have seen, those drivers ain't it. Again, when and what mods were done.

Here is a President:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/rrpa_photos/173 ... ,%20MD.jpg

Here is a P-1, far closer to what you have, but not a President, of which 20 P-7's were so named.
https://www.american-rails.com/images/P1c5000BLT.jpg

You can see the boiler near the bell....and bells seemed to be nose mounted or at least smokebox on P-7's.

Later on:
https://www.american-rails.com/images/I ... 7VNBRN.jpg

P-1's has that flimsy looking trailing truck. Later ones has the heavy cast ones.

[E7]

That does not look like Ken's President Washington, at least not the one I ran at the Tractioneers; way too crude. Plus that one was not black and, I believe, went to the B&O museum upon his passing.

I agree. What I saw of his stuff in OSN was way beyond that one! I don't think it would be taking up any space in a museum.

[De Bruin]

While I have no comment on Ken Henry's work, as impressive as it sounds, commenting on Carey's locomotive here it appears said boiler took a downward blow (perhaps/suspect due to shipping with inadequate packing?) in the top center of the boiler, perhaps "oval-lating" the boiler at the bell location? Carey is this the case?
It damn sure looks like it cause it is otherwise close(nearby zip code) in the doorstop manner to the prototypes Dave linked etc.
again other disparities notwithstanding.
Most interesting piece never-the-less and thanks for posting it.
Pete

[E7]

While I have no comment on Ken Henry's work, as impressive as it sounds, commenting on Carey's locomotive here it appears said boiler took a downward blow (perhaps/suspect due to shipping with inadequate packing?) in the top center of the boiler, perhaps "oval-lating" the boiler at the bell location? Pete

Pete,

I agree that is the point where she begins to look a bit "sway Backed", but one would think if it took a hit there, the bell would have been smashed!

Rich

[bob turner]

Well, time for someone to visit the Balto museum and take some photos. It may be true that there are real "Ken Henrys" and others being called Ken Henrys.

I personally roll out several qualities of models, including some that have the atrocious All Nation Pacific boiler, but my quality never stumbles that far.

[E7]

Well, time for someone to visit the Balto museum and take some photos. It may be true that there are real "Ken Henrys" and others being called Ken Henrys.

I personally roll out several qualities of models, including some that have the atrocious All Nation Pacific boiler, but my quality never stumbles that far.

There is the possibility that it was early on in the "learning curve" as it is outside third rail, and as best I recall, the ones in OSN were all 2 rail. I'll pass on the Balto trip!

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Might wait to see what Joe F. might think about this engine.

[E7]

Might wait to see what Joe F. might think about this engine.

A wise move, no doubt!

[ScaleCraft]

Even for a P-1, sand dome is wrong, smokebox rivets are wrong, smokebox support rods are wrong, boiler handrails at smokebox are wrong, smokebox door way too small, stack is wrong, running boards do not go to front of smokebox, front ladders A) too short and B) wrong angle by a bunch.

As long as we understand Presidents were only the 20 P-7's, which a WAY different than a P-1, we're okay.

[ScaleCraft]

Just so we're clear here.
I have no idea who built it, no secret knowledge.

But if you do a bit of digging, or even have studied B&O Presidents a bit.....that engine is not a P-7 President.

After that, whatever it is, it is.

[ScaleCraft]

Ah. Research.

http://modeltrainjournal.com/phpBB3/vie ... 7&start=60

From Joe hisself on that thread two years ago:

Ken Henry's pre WWII B&O P-7 Pacific kit and finished models had 19 spoke 80" drivers machined from castings made from his own patterns. The PRR K-4s has 17 spoke drivers and they are more common to find at O meets. I have a Ken Henry P-7 built by Russell Wilcox, a deceased friend that Russ built back in 1937/38 from Ken's parts. Russ told me he would go down to Camden Station here in Baltimore to measure and study the details on the real locomotive to get the details as correct on his model as possible. He didn't need no "stinkin drawings".

The model which is the subject of this thread shows maybe 14, but an almost Boxpox design (hard for me to be certain as it is so rough) or something cobbled up to appear as such...which no photos of a B&O P-class have I yet found which contain such a driver.