Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

[chuck]

I questioned where that tribe that Cain joined came from as I feel sure some of you on this forum have.

A lot of the "math" and "logic" doesn't hold up well to strict scrutiny. Some of this is from translation, some from editing, mostly from human frailties of wanting simple answers to complex problems/questions.

Some of us got in trouble for asking "technical questions" (like. what tribe did Cain go to or how, in Genesis, there was day and night on day one but the sun doesn't show up till day four?). Those types of questions were usually viewed as an attempt to reduce the studying of scriptures to a game of trivial pursuit. This was frowned on. BTW, the "pat" answer to such inquiries was a) "It's a mater of faith" and b) stop being a smart*!

It was more disturbing to me that people were missing the main point(s) entirely by scanning the material to find "the answer" they wanted while ignoring all of the material that contradicts that desired answer. The scripture's are not an a al carte menu to select the stuff you like and ignore what you don't. It's extremely disturbing when someone quotes scripture (usually out of context) as a justification to do wrong. If it says to behave a certain way 200 times and only once to do something else you really should be paying attention to the former and really trying to figure out why the later is even there.

I used to like hearing one particular minister at the Ann Arbor United Methodist church preach. He was raised as a Catholic and he was in advertising before he got his calling. He would select a section of the bible to preach on for the course of a year making appropriate tie in's to the liturgical calendar for holy days and always bringing the material forward to show how it applies to the here and now. My personal favorite sermon of his was "Grace is not a blue eyed blonde". He would relish in finding the outlying passages and delve into what those were really about. He would explain their context (in some cases there was an historical perspective to take into account) and then show them to possibly mean something different than they were usually perceived. His sermon's made me think and I never zoned out while he was preaching.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

It was more disturbing to me that people were missing the main point(s) entirely by scanning the material to find "the answer" they wanted while ignoring all of the material that contradicts that desired answer.

Happens far, far, far too frequently............and makes one wonder if they ever really read it all and fully understood any of it for what it really is.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Oh, even the remarks by Rufus that some might consider inappropriate are not in my opinion and add to this conversation quite a bit.

If everyone thinks the same way about everything then there is no conversation, and everyone are probably clones that were raised in a creche, too.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

A refreshing conversation, except for that last "creche" remark.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

A refreshing conversation, except for that last "creche" remark.

Where else do you raise clones?

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Wow.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Wow.

What?

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Wow.

What?

Creche...a representation of the Nativity...

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Wow.

What?

Creche...a representation of the Nativity...

So single minded - the word has far more meanings, uses, and applications.

Try the other meanings of the word:

2 : day nursery. 3 : a foundling hospital. 4 : a group of young animals (such as penguins or bats) gathered in one place for care and protection usually by one or more adults.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

What?

Creche...a representation of the Nativity...

So single minded - the word has far more meanings, uses, and applications.

Try the other meanings of the word:

2 : day nursery. 3 : a foundling hospital. 4 : a group of young animals (such as penguins or bats) gathered in one place for care and protection usually by one or more adults.

Yet, there is something to be said for the context in which a word or reference is utilized. Kindly note the title and subject matter of this thread. Eh? Huh? Your alternate meaning doesn't ring true, considering your often stated aversions to things "religious," and where and how (my interpretation) you were using the word/concept, "Creche."

Plus, and most pertinent, you and Chuck were discussing interpretations of Scripture, not gaggles of bats or penguins, day nurseries, or foundling hospitals. Get real. And furthermore, for example, I recall your use of the word "sheeple" upon occasion. How far away from that is "clones"?

BTW, I cautiously agree with your sentiment that if everyone thinks the same way about everything, there is no conversation.

And it's okay, really, about the creche thing; in fact, I thought its use in this content was bold but not offensive, and yet a bit curious.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Creche...a representation of the Nativity...

So single minded - the word has far more meanings, uses, and applications.

Try the other meanings of the word:

2 : day nursery. 3 : a foundling hospital. 4 : a group of young animals (such as penguins or bats) gathered in one place for care and protection usually by one or more adults.

Yet, there is something to be said for the context in which a word or reference is utilized. Kindly note the title and subject matter of this thread. Eh? Huh? Your alternate meaning doesn't ring true, considering your often stated aversions to things "religious," and where and how (my interpretation) you were using the word/concept, "Creche."

I never gave it a thought and those are not my alternate meanings - see the dictionary.

And it's okay, really, about the creche thing; in fact, I thought its use in this content was bold but not offensive, and yet a bit curious.

Pretty standard word usage when applied to clones and cloning.

[rogruth]

It may be pretty standard if you are a scientist or work in that field.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

It may be pretty standard if you are a scientist or work in that field.

Not just there but in speculative fiction literature for many decades, but I still find it fascinating that while I see a word with multiple meanings, others only can accept a single meaning.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

It may be pretty standard if you are a scientist or work in that field.

Not just there but in speculative fiction literature for many decades, but I still find it fascinating that while I see a word with multiple meanings, others only can accept a single meaning.

No, not really. It was not a matter of only accepting "a single meaning" but rather knowing the word and seeing it used in a way familiar to me, not exactly a stretch. Referencing a group of bats in that conversation would have been a stretch. Of course, words have other meanings - we have all consulted a thesaurus from time to time, and have heard of and used synonyms. But this particular use seemed most particular, to me, provocative, in fact, in its intent. And so if you were watching to see if the word got a rise out of anybody, you got your wish. I found it as remarkable and pointed and rough.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

. And so if you were watching to see if the word got a rise out of anybody, you got your wish. I found it as remarkable and pointed and rough.

No, not at all. I simply do not associate the word with any religious meaning whatsoever.....