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Postby HONDO74 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:15 am

Anybody remember recently when Venice was flooded and it was being blamed on global warming. Now the canals are almost dry. Why ?

Weeks after Venice, Italy, suffered some of its worst floods in more than 50 years and was mostly underwater, its famous canals have dried up and been left unnavigable because at low tide.

The boats and gondolas that draw millions to the city each year were beached at the bottom of the canals, which resembled trenches instead of waterways, as water levels have dipped, the BBC reported.

Absolutely brilliant idea to build the city on a “collection of 400 islands”. Just brilliant.Guess they never stopped to think about how the changing lunar orbit affects tides and sea levels. Nope. I guess not. :mrgreen:

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Postby MYmoo » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:45 am

It must be that the fires in AU "...dried up all the rain.
And the eensy weensy spider went up the spout again."
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Re: Venice

Postby E7 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:18 am

HONDO74 wrote:Anybody remember recently when Venice was flooded and it was being blamed on global warming. Now the canals are almost dry. Why ?


THE THUNBERG curse! :mrgreen:

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Re: Venice

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:43 am

HONDO74 wrote:Guess they never stopped to think about how the changing lunar orbit affects tides and sea levels. Nope. I guess not. :mrgreen:


Given that they were originally a water faring commercial power historically, I'm pretty confident that they knew quite a lot about tides and sea levels. Now whether they could have predicted 500 years into the future how screwed up the planet might get seems unlikely.
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Re: Venice

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:07 am

Really nice you shared that news here, Hondo74. If there were ever something fleeting, I'd imagine it would be the phenomenon of those emptied canal bottoms being visible.

But what do I know. Does anybody know what made that happen ?

I haven't heard of that drying-up ever happening previously in history.

I'm glad you made this post, Hondo, as I saw that news and wanted to post about it but didn't try knowing I couldn't post an accompanying photo with it.

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Re: Venice

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:38 am

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:...........those emptied canal bottoms being visible.


Wonder how many bodies and other interesting discoveries were visible, :wink: :wink:
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Re: Venice

Postby rex desilets » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:58 am

Before webenda beats me to it, Venice was originally settled by people escaping whatever barbarians were threatening Italy in the first millennium. The islands in the midst of a swamp/lagoon were a refuge. All that commercial, etc, stuff came later.
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Postby v8vega » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:58 am

Venice California is a real high house price rich peoples town and hordes of homeless spreading their trash and filth all over the place. Liberal mayors here the homeless are like sacred cows, they can do anything they damn well please.

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Re: Venice

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:06 am

rex desilets wrote:The islands in the midst of a swamp/lagoon were a refuge. All that commercial, etc, stuff came later.


So was Paris when Caesar was wondering about, :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Later is relative.....
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Re: Venice

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:43 pm

A few decades ago, Katharine Hepburn fell into one of the canals while filming a movie. I believe she contracted something awful (conjunctivitis ?) from which she suffered for the rest of her life as a result.

Don't Venice's sewers empty into the canal system?

So, when I see News shots of folks wading thru the waist-deep water in the streets and piazzas, I wonder about their health. When water enters openings in the body, it can carry plenty of undesirables with it into the interior.

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Re: Venice

Postby E7 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:57 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Don't Venice's sewers empty into the canal system?


From what I've heard the canals are the sewer system., at least there have been known to be a few "floaters" thereabouts. :shock:
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Re: Venice

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:58 pm

E7 wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Don't Venice's sewers empty into the canal system?


From what I've heard the canals are the sewer system.

OMG .

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Re: Venice

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:53 pm

E7 wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Don't Venice's sewers empty into the canal system?


From what I've heard the canals are the sewer system., at least there have been known to be a few "floaters" thereabouts. :shock:


Reminds me of the NJ shore, :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Venice

Postby E7 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:19 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
E7 wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Don't Venice's sewers empty into the canal system?


From what I've heard the canals are the sewer system., at least there have been known to be a few "floaters" thereabouts. :shock:


Reminds me of the NJ shore, :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Toss in some used hypos for good measure! :shock:

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Re: Venice

Postby webenda » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:43 pm

HONDO74 wrote:Absolutely brilliant idea to build the city on a “collection of 400 islands”. Just brilliant.Guess they never stopped to think about how the changing lunar orbit affects tides and sea levels. Nope. I guess not. :mrgreen:

Acutally it was. Normal change in sea level between high and low tide in Venice Italy is less than 3.2 feet, year after year.
Industry (not global warming) is responsible for more flooding then when Venice was just a city of refuge.
Venice sank about 4 inches in the 20th Century because of industrial groundwater extraction. That was enough to cause flooding more often in the lowest parts of Venice. But to your point, yes, a very rare 4.5 foot tide flooded 90 % of the city.

As for this low tide, the press is being alarmist by showing the most shallow of the canals as representing the entire city.

New York wasn't too smart to build subways so close to the ocean either.
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Tucson wasn't too smart to build a city near a desert river either.
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And then there is Los Angeles, built over many active earthquake fault zones. The Los Angeles basin experiences 256 earth quakes 3.0 or higher per year.
Earthquake Reference: https://scedc.caltech.edu/about/BSSA_20 ... SN_cat.pdf
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