Interesting COVID thread on OGF

[ScaleCraft]

I will tell you in our county (probably state) early on there was a really good website, gave today and running totals. One day, golly, two months ago maybe, site went down. Gone for two days, came back, and ONLY data for today. They his any reference to totals. You search around, might be able to find county data, but it's like they don't want you to know totals.

Three days ago in the paper, big deal, oh, gee, gosh, it looks like we have wrong numbers...we are re-evaluating deaths.

Folks have been telling them that for months. Auto accident? DOA? Autopsy shows positive for COVID, so it's a COVID death. Stroke? Heart Attack? Suicide? All attributed to COVID. So far, not one number in the running totals has changed downward.

Something isn't right.

[chuck]

Folks have been telling them that for months. Auto accident? DOA? Autopsy shows positive for COVID, so it's a COVID death. Stroke? Heart Attack? Suicide? All attributed to COVID. So far, not one number in the running totals has changed downward.

Something isn't right.

I haven't seen anything official on how a death gets classified. I KNOW my father-in-laws death was classified as congestive heart failure but there was no autopsy and about three weeks after he passed they published the effects of the disease on people 85+. The symptoms were vastly different from those less than 85 years of age. They listed off the symptoms and I could but a check by every one of them.

I don't know that any of this matters. The disease is highly contagious and highly destructive if you get significant exposure and are more susceptible because of underlying health issues. While "we" may be tired of the disease and the effects it is having on our lifestyles the disease doesn't care. It will continue to spread and kill while we piss and moan and ignore basic safety advice because it is inconvenient.

Wear a mask, keep 6 feet apart, do not gather in groups of more than 10 while indoors, wash your hands for 20 seconds and don't touch your face. Is this really that hard to do? Is it really that complicated? This isn't going away anytime soon.

[v8vega]

I know of two churches that have rented tents and put them in the parking lot for services. One is a big church and a big tent.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

So far, not one number in the running totals has changed downward.

The only way the death numbers go downward is if people get resurrected.

I don't know that any of this matters. The disease is highly contagious and highly destructive if you get significant exposure and are more susceptible because of underlying health issues. While "we" may be tired of the disease and the effects it is having on our lifestyles the disease doesn't care. It will continue to spread and kill while we piss and moan and ignore basic safety advice because it is inconvenient.

Wear a mask, keep 6 feet apart, do not gather in groups of more than 10 while indoors, wash your hands for 20 seconds and don't touch your face. Is this really that hard to do? Is it really that complicated? This isn't going away anytime soon.

Apparently we have a large population segment that finds this too complicated, an impediment to their lifestyles, an infringement to their "freedom", etc. all while being totally selfish and not caring about their own health or that of anyone else choosing to endanger everyone. This pathetic behavior crosses all age groups and populations in the country. I'm glad to see that the states that are taking this seriously are starting to actively police and enforce regulations now. Sadly, it's where we should have been 3 months ago and had we, we would not be where we are today acting as a world wide example of how not to deal with a pandemic.

[Neil]

I'm sure the orange dufus who we have as President will shortly be claiming that all the full ICUs (in New York in particular) were actually healthy Democratic voters and anti-fa who wanted to make him look bad, and they vanished out the back door when new volunteers appeared. It's all a hoax to make one of the most ill-educated and mean-spirited human beings to walk the modern earth look bad. As if he doesn't do an outstanding job of looking bad without any assistance from others .

The epidemic is real, and no, it isn't the black death, and yes, we now have at least 2-3 drugs that seem to make mortality less likely. And there will be more. But it's still harming people and killing people, and there are simple public health measures that can reduce the damage. And the idiotic members of public, mostly Republicans, but not all, who think masks are an infringement on their liberties are pathetic ignoramuses whose paranoia is only exceeded by their stupidity.

And if the epidemic leads to a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic Senate, it will be poetic justice of the highest order. It's true that the rich (including the almost rich like me) will pay higher taxes under a Democratic government, and I'll do so reasonably happily since the money won't be going to fund idiot projects like a border wall or propping up the poisonous and outdated coal industry.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

But it's still harming people and killing people........

Roughly 100/day over the past week and almost certain to increase as this month proceeds.

The ironic aspect of this is that the people that the orangutan counts as core are the ones being put at greatest risk by his own encouragement.

[HONDO74]

Can't ALWAYS TRUST SO CALLED MEDICAL EXPERTS..

Dr Birx told President Trump in April that the coronavirus would soon be gone and influenced the administration's push to reopen the economy and lift lockdown
https://news.yahoo.com/dr-birx-told-pre ... 53164.html

Dr Deborah Birx, the chief medical officer on the White House coronavirus task force, told Trump administration officials in April that the virus would likely soon go away, reported The New York Times on Saturday.

According to the report, Birx believed the US would follow the same trajectory as Italy, with a sharp increase in cases followed by a gradual decline.

The optimistic assessment provided by Birx reportedly influenced the Trump administration's push to reopen the economy and lift lockdown.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Can't ALWAYS TRUST SO CALLED MEDICAL EXPERTS..

Dr Birx told President Trump in April that the coronavirus would soon be gone and influenced the administration's push to reopen the economy and lift lockdown

She's one of his appointees - she was only echoing what he had stated weeks earlier about it all being gone by Easter. Have you noticed she's disappeared?

[HONDO74]

Can't ALWAYS TRUST SO CALLED MEDICAL EXPERTS..

Dr Birx told President Trump in April that the coronavirus would soon be gone and influenced the administration's push to reopen the economy and lift lockdown

She's one of his appointees - she was only echoing what he had stated weeks earlier about it all being gone by Easter. Have you noticed she's disappeared?

From 2005-2014, Ambassador Birx served successfully as the Director of CDC’s Division of Global HIV/AIDS (DGHA), which is part of the agency’s Center for Global Health. As DGHA Director, she utilized her leadership ability, superior technical skills, and infectious passion to achieve tremendous public health impact. She successfully led the implementation of CDC’s PEPFAR programs around the world and managed an annual budget of more than $1.5 billion.

Ambassador Birx was responsible for all of the agency’s global HIV/AIDS activities, including providing oversight to more than 400 staff at headquarters, over 1,500 staff in the field, and more than 45 country and regional offices in Africa, Asia, Caribbean, and Latin America. Recognized for her distinguished and dedicated commitment to building local capacity and strengthening quality laboratory health services and systems in Africa, in 2011, Ambassador Birx received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the African Society for Laboratory Medicine. In 2014, CDC honored her leadership in advancing the agency’s HIV/AIDS response with the highly prestigious William C. Watson, Jr. Medal of Excellence.

Ambassador Birx has published over 220 manuscripts in peer-reviewed journals, authored nearly a dozen chapters in scientific publications, as well as developed and patented vaccines. She received her medical degree from the Hershey School of Medicine, Pennsylvania State University, and beginning in 1980 she trained in internal medicine and basic and clinical immunology at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the National Institutes of Health. Ambassador Birx is board certified in internal medicine, allergy and immunology, and diagnostic and clinical laboratory immunology.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Can't ALWAYS TRUST SO CALLED MEDICAL EXPERTS..

Dr Birx told President Trump in April that the coronavirus would soon be gone and influenced the administration's push to reopen the economy and lift lockdown

She's one of his appointees - she was only echoing what he had stated weeks earlier about it all being gone by Easter. Have you noticed she's disappeared?

From 2005-2014, Ambassador Birx served successfully as the Director of CDC’s Division of Global HIV/AIDS (DGHA), which is part of the agency’s Center for Global Health. As DGHA Director, she utilized her leadership ability, superior technical skills, and infectious passion to achieve tremendous public health impact. She successfully led the implementation of CDC’s PEPFAR programs around the world and managed an annual budget of more than $1.5 billion.

Ambassador Birx was responsible for all of the agency’s global HIV/AIDS activities, including providing oversight to more than 400 staff at headquarters, over 1,500 staff in the field, and more than 45 country and regional offices in Africa, Asia, Caribbean, and Latin America. Recognized for her distinguished and dedicated commitment to building local capacity and strengthening quality laboratory health services and systems in Africa, in 2011, Ambassador Birx received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the African Society for Laboratory Medicine. In 2014, CDC honored her leadership in advancing the agency’s HIV/AIDS response with the highly prestigious William C. Watson, Jr. Medal of Excellence.

Ambassador Birx has published over 220 manuscripts in peer-reviewed journals, authored nearly a dozen chapters in scientific publications, as well as developed and patented vaccines. She received her medical degree from the Hershey School of Medicine, Pennsylvania State University, and beginning in 1980 she trained in internal medicine and basic and clinical immunology at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the National Institutes of Health. Ambassador Birx is board certified in internal medicine, allergy and immunology, and diagnostic and clinical laboratory immunology.

Yes, I'm aware of who and what she is - we were on same campus; different buildings. None of that really matters either; she's a politician and mouthpiece.

[gregj410]

Wear a mask, keep 6 feet apart, do not gather in groups of more than 10 while indoors, wash your hands for 20 seconds and don't touch your face. Is this really that hard to do? Is it really that complicated? This isn't going away anytime soon.

Not necessarily about our right to wear the mask although I admittedly wear mine as little as possible. It’s the flip flopping by Fauci and other medical professionals.

You should wear it, wearing it won’t help. Which is it? For crying out loud it’s like the FDA claiming eggs are bad for you one year, then the next year it’s eat all the eggs you want.

It all adds up to people not trusting what there being told. It’s like hearing we’re from the government and we are hear to help.

[G3750]

Personally, I think this thread belongs over in the Club Car Lounge.

George

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Personally, I think this thread belongs over in the Club Car Lounge.

It does and is superfluous to those already there.

[jlong]

First the death of toilet paper. Now the death of of MTH. We're doomed.

[ScaleCraft]

and Garden Railways magazine.