SC Dave, or anyone, do you recognise…

Discuss All Facets of 2-Rail, 1/48 Scale, Model Railroading
User avatar
sarge
Posts: 5138
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:21 pm
Location: Dungfield Manor

SC Dave, or anyone, do you recognise…

Postby sarge » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:05 am

…this now somewhat aged board.

I want to say this is left over from my large-scale days, Locolink, Phoenix Sound perhaps?

Image

Image

Image

Image

User avatar
ScaleCraft
Posts: 6693
Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:15 pm

Re: SC Dave, or anyone, do you recognise…

Postby ScaleCraft » Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:56 am

Well, not LocoStink. Behren never built anything like that.
Not Phoenix, too few components for a decent sound system.
Not RCS, not AristoCrap.
There was a guy down near Sandy Eiggo who built all sorts of track powered controls....and copied off the early 2-channel RCS stuff. Dimensions on board?
Dave....gone by invitation

User avatar
ScaleCraft
Posts: 6693
Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:15 pm

Re: SC Dave, or anyone, do you recognise…

Postby ScaleCraft » Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:15 pm

That is close to 25 years old. Back then, everybody and his cousin wanted to make a million bucks with sound systems. None were any good.....some got better.

Looking at this closely, the markings on the screw terminal header, guess here, C is common, T is trigger, maybe horn, T is trigger, maybe bell, the SS is speaker terminals, + is power in, G is ground for power.
Trim pot on board (blue thingie with brass screwhead in side), I have seen before......still pondering....
Dave....gone by invitation

User avatar
R.K. Maroon
Posts: 3140
Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:20 pm

Re: SC Dave, or anyone, do you recognise…

Postby R.K. Maroon » Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:06 pm

The dual-inline integrated circuit in the middle of the board appears to be a Texas Instruments NE556N, which is a timer -- not the first component that comes to my mind when considering the design of a sound card. My first wild guess is that this is a flasher of some sort. Maybe for a crossing gate or a Mars light. Or it could be for a signal system, with the timer providing some delay or anti-bounce. But I would say your guess is as good or better than mine.

Jim
The link below any photo will display the image full size

User avatar
sarge
Posts: 5138
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:21 pm
Location: Dungfield Manor

Re: SC Dave, or anyone, do you recognise…

Postby sarge » Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:51 pm

The board dimensions are 2-1/2” x 3-1/4”

The IC is indeed an NE556N

User avatar
Rufus T. Firefly
Posts: 42220
Joined: Wed May 16, 2007 7:52 am
Location: To be Determined

Re: SC Dave, or anyone, do you recognise…

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:01 pm

.
Last edited by Rufus T. Firefly on Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. It also gives you a lot of unhealthy coping mechanisms, trust issues, and a dark sense of humor.

User avatar
ScaleCraft
Posts: 6693
Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:15 pm

Re: SC Dave, or anyone, do you recognise…

Postby ScaleCraft » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:01 pm

flasher with timer makes sense, especially with the adjustment pot.
Still think that guy....Chuck Murray? in Sandy Eiggo.
Dave....gone by invitation

User avatar
sarge
Posts: 5138
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:21 pm
Location: Dungfield Manor

Re: SC Dave, or anyone, do you recognise…

Postby sarge » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:30 pm

Circuitron, perchance?

User avatar
ScaleCraft
Posts: 6693
Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:15 pm

Re: SC Dave, or anyone, do you recognise…

Postby ScaleCraft » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:38 pm

Date on board pre-dates Cicuitron by quite a bit doesn't it?
Dave....gone by invitation

User avatar
R.K. Maroon
Posts: 3140
Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:20 pm

Re: SC Dave, or anyone, do you recognise…

Postby R.K. Maroon » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:35 pm

Here, for your consideration, is a Circuitron "Logic Grade Crossing Detection Unit":

Image

Image

Image

Image

I bought two of these as $5 items at some train show in the recent past. I thought they had the flasher integrated but, per the name, it is only the detection circuit. At any rate, given the level of deterioration of the foam and the state of art of the electronics, I would guess these are 1970s items, or maybe 1980s using 1970s technology.

Again, your guess is as good as mine
Jim
The link below any photo will display the image full size

User avatar
ScaleCraft
Posts: 6693
Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:15 pm

Re: SC Dave, or anyone, do you recognise…

Postby ScaleCraft » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:46 pm

Talked to my buddy in Carlsbad...Chuck is in their GR club...had a stroke....confirms looks like Chuck's stuff.

One board did reversing,one crossing, one station stops, one called Motorman, one Switchman, all sorts of crap.
He's looking for company name.
Dave....gone by invitation

User avatar
De Bruin
Posts: 991
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:24 pm

Re: SC Dave, or anyone, do you recognise…

Postby De Bruin » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:14 pm

Am I wrong to think if its a detector board that it could be used for regulating a signal block aspect too? I do recall some layouts having signal block sets where they could adjust the time for the reset from red to yellow to prevent the signal resetting while cars were still traveling past the aspect (a common visual faux pas then and now)
Political Consultant- Tap into the hidden powers of your public office, insure your future is jail free, well funded. Visit shock and awe upon your adversaries, dominate the media, thrill your followers. contact morbo@happydaysrhereagain.com

User avatar
R.K. Maroon
Posts: 3140
Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:20 pm

Re: SC Dave, or anyone, do you recognise…

Postby R.K. Maroon » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:41 pm

Pete, is might indeed be possible to use this for a block signal system, but a grade-crossing circuit is more complicated than needed for block signal use. In particular, the grade-crossing unit needs to come on when the train is far away from the crossing but go off just after the train clears the crossing. That's not so hard, except it has to work with the train running in either direction. That is harder.

The real question for the Circuitron unit, which uses optical detection, is what happens if the train stops while in the grade crossing. Not supposed to happen of course but we all know it does. I'll wire one up someday and see how it goes.

There is also the question of what happens if you have more than one track. That might completely confuse it. But I have two of these so I might be able to make it work for the club layout double-track mainline with a little added digital logic. No time for that now but hopefully before the decade is out. :D

Jim
The link below any photo will display the image full size

User avatar
sarge
Posts: 5138
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:21 pm
Location: Dungfield Manor

Re: SC Dave, or anyone, do you recognise…

Postby sarge » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:47 pm

We’re getting smarter.

I’ve been on with Circuitron; not one of theirs but he is giving it a fair look to see if he can figure out what it does. BTW, they have been around a lot of years, Dave. I think you are getting close if we can get the company name, that’s another piece of the puzzle.

Thanks to you all for playing this Whatzit. Well done so far!

User avatar
sarge
Posts: 5138
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:21 pm
Location: Dungfield Manor

Re: SC Dave, or anyone, do you recognise…

Postby sarge » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:51 pm

Jim, those things are bi-directional but I believe you need one board per track. If the directions don’t give clarity, email Circuitron; they certainly can help.


Return to “O-Gauge, 2-Rail, Model Railroading”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 75 guests