We're back

[ScaleCraft]

23+ hours!

[bob turner]

Delighted. I was worried that they had pulled the plug.

[ScaleCraft]

You and me both, especially as rabid as Club Car was getting. I just quit looking except for once a week to see if there's any blood.

[steamaheadstephen59]

I'm glade we are back. I thought I was without a model RR voice. I was banned on the other forum .???? for something I thought had been cleared up ages ago. I don't like being wrongly accused.

[bob turner]

I was banned for refusing to let them use my photos without attribution. I do not miss posting there - I probably added nothing to the overall conversation.

[steamaheadstephen59]

I don't know about nothing to add, I always enjoy your input Bob. Its embarrassing that I can't figure out posting pics here thou. I will crack it eventually.

[De Bruin]

Stephen,
I'm shocked that OGR (NK) blocked you; honestly thought you were one of the guys they actually "liked" given you usually refrained from non-railroad topics like internet legalities, politics they don't endorse themselves, specific government's policies, criticisms of OGR's editorial policies, their advertisers, their advertiser's products, assertions of subjective opinions regarding their advertiser's products, one of their erstwhile editor's pet peeves, et al.
otherwise they seem to be fair.......
Sorry to hear that, but rest assured assured you're welcome here.
I will say this based on visiting their other non-2 rail forums; the admin/masters there are not applying the same standard you were subjected to, as in there are lot's of idiots posting there incapable of separating their hobby from their professed beliefs on a variety of irrelevant topics. It's sad.
BTW, if you have an internet site that you can host pictures on, we can get your shots on here. Send me a PM here with that link and I'll get it done for you and tell you how I did it.
Pretty easy actually.
Regards
Pete

[E7]

I was banned for refusing to let them use my photos without attribution.

How were they using your Pics other than what appeared in YOUR posts? Are you saying they wouldn't allow you to put: "copyright Bob Turner" on your own images?

My understanding is, if I used one of YOUR Pics in one of MY posts, I would have to attribute it to: Bob Turner, and I'm thinking I would need to have your permission to use the image.

I would state under the image: copyright Bob Turner, used by permission of Bob Turner or some such permutation of that.

[bob turner]

That is exactly all I asked. I have given blanket permission to anyone or any entity to use my photos if they simply state "model and photo by bob turner."
TCA Western refused to do that, and I had them remove my photos. To their credit, they complied.
They said it was too difficult to cut in my attribution.
And yes, all my photos are copyright, and they do not have to say so.

Anybody here think that is unreasonable?

[bob turner]

I did not answer your question. I told OGR that anyone could use my photos with proper attribution, except in the same thread where I posted them. I said I did not want my photos repeated ad nauseam in the same thread where I originally posted them.

I already posted here how Arnold felt about that.

Pete - you forgot the prayer groups. I bet they would freak out if someone said "go with Allah" in one of those.

If MTJ goes away I will have nowhere to post. Wanna bet I will get back into more locomotive building? I waste too much time typing!

[E7]

Anybody here think that is unreasonable?

No! I think it's common courtesy to credit another persons efforts. I usually put in a link which is a lot quicker and makes it unnecessary. If I (Rich) post on there and use another party's material, they say I need to include an attribution. What I gather from this, is that OGR said that once you post, they could use your stuff without acknowledging YOU! Is that the case?

Seems like a double standard! That is why when I quote someone on this board, I take great pains (unlike some here) to use the option (like above) that includes the original person's board name, even though it is sometimes a real pain in the a$$.

Rich

The Reader's Digest version of all this is: Once you post, they own it?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Its embarrassing that I can't figure out posting pics here thou. I will crack it eventually.

As Pete noted, if they are on your web site then they are hosted - that's all that's necessary - photos just need a host. Just need their address on the net and then they can be posted here.

[bob turner]

Once you post, they own it?

When you post a photo, you retain the copyright. If someone else repeats it without your permission, you can successfully sue. (It probably isn't worth it.) You do not need to put a "circle c" on it.

Since grabbing photos on the internet is common, the feds passed a law protecting copiers in the first instance. To enforce your rights you need a very specific notice - a DMCA Takedown Notice. If you don't do that, you cannot sue - and the violator has a reasonable time to remove the offending photos.

So if I post a photo here, you may repeat it if you append my required attribution. If for some reason you do not do that, I am not going to sue you.

But over on OGR they have this special button, allowing ad nauseam repetition. A photo can be repeated a dozen or more times in the same thread. I said "not my photos." That apparently pissed Arnold off, even though he doesn't like endless repetition either.

Most of us go along with laws enacted on our behalf, even if there is no apparent penalty for not doing so. Have you ever sat at a red light, realizing that nobody would know if you blew through it?

[E7]

I don't understand how it enhances a thread to copy a picture multiple times unless it is on different "pages". That and repeating a post one or two spots above, particularly very long posts, but that's the way some of those people operate over there. Again, if the post is a couple pages earlier, OK, but don't repeat a post right under the original, particularly when they are half a page long.

[E7]

Most of us go along with laws enacted on our behalf, even if there is no apparent penalty for not doing so. Have you ever sat at a red light, realizing that nobody would know if you blew through it?

Except they might take a picture of your license plate. Surveillance is all over the place.