Where is Carey's GS-4?

[bob turner]

I was going to tack this on Carey's thread, but maybe he didn't do it here. I have noticed a lot of older O Scale on eBay the last couple days, and spotted a GS-4 that I thought was Carey's model.
It is not - it is being offered by Trainz. Really tough to see what it is from their photos, so I took the liberty of messing with one of them. I think I can get away with reproducing it here for educational purposes - to see what one can do with enhancement tools on the simplest editor.
I suppose while I am at it, I shall try to find Carey's thread on OGR.

[bob turner]

I shall bore you with my 17/64 GS-2 for a minute, while I load the enhanced photo into Shuttleworth:

[bob turner]

Here it is - if you can find the Trainz ad, compare this with the photos they are trying to entice you to bid with. Understand, I will not be bidding on this one; I am more than happy with my own creation, above.

[bob turner]

Here we go - with Carey's permission:



The thread is on page 8 currently - I was unable to use the search function, so I took a tour. Carey is compiling a true history of O Scale. Note how much straighter Carey's model is.

[steamaheadstephen59]

I dont have much to share on the GS-4. I do have a 2 rail ( and three rail,I was going to convert ) Williams GS-4. The pics from Trains dont reveal a lot and the price, well I wouldn't pay it.

[ScaleCraft]

Here it is - if you can find the Trainz ad, compare this with the photos they are trying to entice you to bid with. Understand, I will not be bidding on this one; I am more than happy with my own creation, above.

I am not sure how you can compare this one to Carey's.
You want a list?
Short list:
A) slope and start of slope of top of firebox.
B) angle of cab roof.
C) kink in side skirts.
D) crosshead.
E) appears to be a Lionel eccentric crank.
F) shape of spokes on Boxpok.
G) ENTIRE nose...length of headlight housings, raised numberboards, suspect late Lionel.
H) siderods...quick glance lack of pivot joint on you listing.
I) trailing truck casting.
J) firebox/ashpan.
K) lead truck wheels and axle spacing.

Just a guess, but looks an awful lot like somebody had a can of Bondo and something to start with.

If you'd put a LINK up I would take the time to inspect the rest of the photos, but I ain't got time to deal with a lack of links.

With a link, I could give you a longer list.

[bob turner]

You must think I am a nice guy! No link is in your honor. You do not need to see how horrible the Trainz photos are.

[De Bruin]

Bob's right Dave, no need to ruin your evening with the Trainz fotos. You're right as well, Carey's (and Bob's) are both light years better,

[ScaleCraft]

All those hundreds of links to trainzcrap I posted......and nobody believed me.
The best comment was "it's worth what is sells for".
Twaddle.
The more I look at the photo you put up, the more I think it's Lionel based. Even the boxpoks looks like epoxy fill poorly filed.

[bob turner]

Maybe - but I bet your Bondo comment is closer to the truth. They even say the tender is a wood block - not that I have anything against wood block tenders and cars. I have my share . . .
Just took another look - the Trainz photos are so dark all a potential bidder would know is that this thing is red, orange, and black - maybe.
But I have simple enhancement tools that allow a slightly better look - wait until you see the actual Trainz photo above!
As to what it is, I really do not care, except in the sense that I originally thought it was something Carey might have found - but the lead truck is All Nation, the drivers might be Athearn cast iron, and the trailing truck looks like a Pearce Tool part. Tender trucks, while inaccurate, are Lobaugh.

I thought about giving you a link, but it is really not worth it - you do not need to see more details.

[ScaleCraft]

Maybe - but I bet your Bondo comment is closer to the truth. They even say the tender is a wood block - not that I have anything against wood block tenders and cars. I have my share . . .

I have no wood block tenders. I do have a couple of nice house cars built on solid wood.

If you won't give a link, post a photo of the underside of the engine. That should tell me more.

[bob turner]

Here - this is more fun! A Weaver GS-3, 2-railed by my brother when he was trying to make a business out of machining.



I just noticed it needs a tender center sill. I can do that! And maybe a tail beam! Weaver used the GS-4 tender for their GS-3, so I added a tender deck for the fireman to stand on once in a while.

[bob turner]

Here is a Max Gray with Overland drivers, NWSL gears, and Pittman motor. Don't be too critical; it was my very first complicated paint job, and has withstood 30 years on the shelf. It ran like a Swiss watch last time I tried it on the track!

[ScaleCraft]

Here is a Max Gray with Overland drivers, NWSL gears, and Pittman motor. Don't be too critical; it was my very first complicated paint job, and has withstood 30 years on the shelf. It ran like a Swiss watch last time I tried it on the track!

And it has the infamous Turner derailed wheelset!

[Rufus T. Firefly]

.........the lead truck is All Nation, the drivers might be Athearn cast iron, and the trailing truck looks like a Pearce Tool part. Tender trucks, while inaccurate, are Lobaugh.

I was not aware that Athearn made O scale drivers for steam engines.

I thought about giving you a link......

Truly merciful in all ways possible to not provide one.