Hines Consolidation...listed but not seen

[Carey Williams]

Hello all
O scale / gauge Consolidation by Hines 1949 .
Advertised April 1949 MR ...one and done, never illustrated. (At least yet to be seen in print ) Later only the chassis was offered by Pearce ...too bad, nice looking locomotive, designed by Bill Lenoir. Sheet brass boiler , brass cast chassis .
Last of the Hines line up Mikado, 080, Pacific & Consolidation
Please see link for video

https://youtu.be/rjR-G493EKw

Cheers Carey

[R.K. Maroon]

I refer to this Consolidation as a Pearce Tool model. As Carey says, Hines mentioned it in one ad but, if memory serves me correctly, Hines never listed it with a price or as ready to ship. Pearce Tool, on the other hand, sold it for something like thirty-five years(!). It appears as a complete kit in catalog listings from the mid-50s to 1990. The first appearance I have found is in an undated flyer:


https://dl.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vbn7zsn5tfyb5z6o9wx13/Consolidation-195X.jpg?rlkey=0y1g1vy84c8p92vq6obpzi2cv

The longevity of this model makes for an interesting study in inflation:

195X: $ 32.50 (crossed out)
195X: $ 42.50 (written in)
1957: $ 67.50
1962: $ 67.50
1977: $210.00
1990: $339.00

Pearce Tool advertising acknowledged that this model has no prototype. An unknown modeler free-lanced this one a little bit more:


https://dl.dropbox.com/scl/fi/swm23sck13vqaup7uwi6j/Pearce-Tool-2-8-0-Erie-584.JPG?rlkey=xxy6z3biv1a8lfcns337lnpsr

I asked a dedicated Erie modeler if the Erie ever had a 2-8-0 with the large pilot-mounted air tank, and he said no. However, he thought it was a good looking model and encouraged me to leave as-is and run it, which I have done.

As an aside, I asked Woody Mathews if he knew of any Consolidation had that pilot-mounted air tank, and the best he could come up with was Lehigh and New England. I wasn't able to find anything like it on the internet, though I can't say I did an exhaustive search.

Jim

[bob turner]

I was going to bug Jim to post that Erie photo - I found it so enticing that I adjusted mine to be very close. I almost shot it in black today, but have not located any press-on Erie logos or numbers. I have not checked out the availability of such transfers in a quarter century. I would need to go full gloss if I use water transfer decals, but I sure like the look of flat black out of a quality rattle can.

Here is mine -



It has since received said air tank and some pilot detail. It is tender drive, and has a badly pitted driver, which seems to make little difference as it chugs around my test loop.

As soon as Carey posts on OGR, I will transfer some stills of his beautiful example. The modeler who put it together is an artist - also Carey has an entire stable of very well done Hines/Pearce locomotives. Looking forward to posting them here.

[Carey Williams]

Thank you Jim & Bob for posting additional info and photos ...

Nice to see the Pearce flyer ... And watch the prices rise...


Mine seems to be modeled after a B&O e27 ? ....they are both black have wheels , bell & headlight ...

I'm sure thanks to Bob Stevenson I have the casting mold for the chassis and cylinders encase anyone wishes to go into production with the engine.

Cheers Carey

[bob turner]

As promised, and with Carey's permission, here are the promised images, complements of the OGR hosting service:



This looks like a primo collection of Hines model locomotives. Paint, construction, and details make these winners. Note the washout plugs on the Consolidation in the video.

[bob turner]

Check out the fine detail here:

[bob turner]

And finally - this one is fun because you can see things in the background - like the Parmele & Sturgis New Haven electric on the bridge.



Thanks, Carey, for a nice trip to 1949.

[steamaheadstephen59]

Hears mine, sorry there a little dark not much light in the temporary train room.

[ScaleCraft]

Maroon's NP thread...that 2-8-0 is a Pearce/Hines custom built by Bob RK Hall for me 35 years ago.

[steamaheadstephen59]

Interesting, I purchased it on the Bay some years back, Id say about eight years ago, and so it finds itself an immigrant to the land down under. The steam and sand domes are in revers position. I had to tweak the gearbox housing a little as it was too tight in the frame. The Pittman 8000 series motor is to large ( 7000 would be better ) and vibrates on the firebox. It still runs great though. The front truck has plastic wheels, I'll have to fix that sometime.

[R.K. Maroon]

I liked the looks of Stephen's 2-8-0, so I grabbed the photos and did a little work on them to show them off a little better:


https://dl.dropbox.com/scl/fi/tsarhh2h1tbs90pbd26uy/Pearce-Tool-2-8-0-NYC_01.jpg?rlkey=57c8e5lyfb316362pjqmnv101


https://dl.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rm1ulkkkmk2674ft5tbkm/Pearce-Tool-2-8-0-NYC_02.jpg?rlkey=jhmxesbchb8jir5m8fj627ehq

Glad to hear this is a good runner. It looks like a nice workhorse.

Maroon's NP thread...that 2-8-0 is a Pearce/Hines custom built by Bob RK Hall for me 35 years ago.

Here is the locomotive in question:


https://dl.dropbox.com/scl/fi/i3pnmrogixk6aqssj0tie/Bob-Hall-2-8-0-NP-1289_01.jpg?rlkey=9em8xo2ryhywk6qo82ez9x3dq


https://dl.dropbox.com/scl/fi/jeqtfgi3254h751tnf3t6/Bob-Hall-2-8-0-NP-1289_02.jpg?rlkey=duqq8sxsrkvljnk1sqaaxru1u

When I first saw this model, I didn't recognize it as a Pearce Tool, as there is very little of the original model left. To start with, and as with most of the Bob Hall steam locomotives, the tender is scratchbuilt. As to the engine, instead of listing all the differences, it would be easier to list what features are stock. Well, probably the frame, cylinders, boiler shell, cab shell, drivers, driving rods, and perhaps the gearing (I don't recall). As best I can tell, none of the other features are stock. Dave can jump in here with the straight skinny, but I am guessing that Bob was working from prototype drawings and/or photographs.

Jim

[steamaheadstephen59]

Thanks Jim! The model definitely looks better after your tweaking, and I like her too.

[R.K. Maroon]

Our club has an open house schedule on Sunday, so I decided to rotate out the locomotives on the layout for the occasion. As it turns out, I had another Pearce Tool Consolidation on the roster:


https://dl.dropbox.com/scl/fi/if3h80ab4vk2jtw3tplyy/Pearce-Tool-2-8-0-RI-2145_01.jpg?rlkey=rbz1wv10kf3carv1r5sl3y4ky

This model is attributed to Al Kamm. I have exchanged online messages with Al Kamm, who, as I recall, is "Al the Third". If memory serves me correctly, this was either his dad's model (most likely) or perhaps his grandfathers, who was also a model railroader. All I can say is that Al (whichever it was) really knew how to build and finish a model. One note on the photo -- Don't you like the upside-down bell? No? Yea, me neither.

Jim

[R.K. Maroon]

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[Al NJ]

Not to hijack the thread, but Carey, have you ever thought of doing a video of your layout room?
I for one would be interested in seeing the overall set up.